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the oldest

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and strongest human emotion is fear

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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fear

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is trepidation of young men

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane my

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name is lon strickler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations and remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural

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come on board as we begin this adventure

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio

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i am your host lon strickler and i thank

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you for joining me

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man dynasty chicago's winged humanoids

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in celebration the 17th annual mothman

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festival

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being held next weekend in point

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pleasant west virginia

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now before i introduce my guests i want

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to mention an account i recently

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september 1st from a truck driver

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who claimed to have had an encounter

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with an 8 foot tall

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harry hominid the incident occurred on

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thursday august 30th

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at approximately 12 30 a.m the witness

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stated that he was traveling eastbound

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on i-40 between nashville

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and knoxville tennessee he had been

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having

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trouble with a right headlight on his

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rig going on and also he pulled off

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near the 334 mile marker a few miles

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just west

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of roan county he pulled back the hood

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in order to work on the headlight

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he had a super bright led flashlight

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as he was examining the headlight he

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movement in the trees behind him the

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trees were only 20 to 25 foot away and

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the sounds

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were similar to those of a person

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he pointed the flashlight in the

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direction of the trees

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when he instantly noticed bright

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eyeshadow looking back at him

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as he continued to observe an unknown

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creature stepped

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out into the open he was mortified

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because he had never seen anything like

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it was an eight-foot

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man with long black hair all over its

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and that the face looked strange

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deformed he also stated that it had a

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huge wide shoulders and no neck

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now the being stood beside a

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medium-sized tree

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and simply glared at the witness there

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who quickly closed the truckload and

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the witness stated that he had been an

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outdoorsman and hunter in eastern

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tennessee for most of his life

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and that he had never encountered

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anything like this before

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he regularly travels i-40 usually twice

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i asked if you've ever heard of similar

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encounters by other people

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which he responded i've heard stories

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but never believed that those things

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existed around here now the witness

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found my studying report advertisement

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on google and decided to call

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he stated that he was hesitant to make a

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report but the encounter

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shook me up so bad and i felt i needed

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to tell someone so maybe we'll get some

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more reports of that area in the future

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so now let's get started tonight's guest

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rosemary ellen guillen is a full-time

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researcher and author in the paranormal

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and mind

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body spirit fields with more than 65

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her work embraces paranormal and

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unexplained phenomena

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cryptids ufos and alien contact

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spiritual and psychic skill development

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angels and spirits spirit communication

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after life research

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dreams and dream work reincarnation in

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past lives and other topics

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her most recent books include contact

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and mysteries of the afterlife

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visionarylivingpublishing.com

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lon it's a pleasure to be back on with

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you it's been a while

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yeah we i don't think we've talked um

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since maybe around the around the time

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my book was published mothman book

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because uh

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you were a part of the uh of the task

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investigating that phenomena

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well yes and i still am in a lurking

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read the posts and i like to keep up

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as you know i've got a growing

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and that's taking up a lot of my time

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but the the whole uh flying humanoid

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thing that was evolving in the chicago

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make sure that i could keep up with uh

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with all the developments so i applaud

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all your efforts in that regard i know

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what uh time you spent on it

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yeah and it seems to be a growing

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phenomenon as well because

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florida around the same time

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your reports were going on in chicago

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sightings in chicago have waned

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sightings have popped up

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in other areas around the country that

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and so some of it has to be due to the

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that was given to what was going on in

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chicago made people aware

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don't know that they've happened

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and so you know how can we document

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things without the report

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uh look for other evidence yeah i've

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reports ever since the sightings in

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as far as being able to research and to

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you know hopefully this continues and

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cryptid phenomena so

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we'll just see well that's the best we

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is to keep tabs on something keep a

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see what happens uh you know just look

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wave which was so intense for about 13

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the point pleasant area since the 66 to

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overall general area uh you know so

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very interesting an excellent

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compilation of uh

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of real life encounters and

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experiences so what is your definition

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of the afterlife

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for me the afterlife is a fluid place i

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do believe in the afterlife i have

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since i was very young of course and i

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received a lot of religious instruction

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like most of us have

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but um over the course of time and my

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do not believe in a final judgment

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and i do not believe in an eternal

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heaven and hell that is that we're con

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consigned to a place for eternity uh we

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have certainly are held accountable

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for our actions but it seems that the

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person

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or the being rather who holds us

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accountable as ourselves

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and if you're good you go to heaven

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forever and if you're bad you go to hell

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i think that uh these these sorts of um

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bits of dogma uh arise

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as a way of um marshaling people in the

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uh getting people to subscribe to

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church pay fealty to a religious

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i do believe in angels and hire

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spiritual beings and guides who help us

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in our transition

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and help us adjust to the afterlife but

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the afterlife

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is responsive to thought

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and some of the dead say that they carry

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on the way they carried on

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on earth you know they uh they don't

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have bodies anymore

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but um they communicate by telepathy

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they

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but at some point we have to plan our

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next incarnation

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and i think there are reaches of the

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afterlife that

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are beyond the comprehension of

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the living and even our ability to to

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reach into those areas

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and some of the dead may may go into

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these far

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reaches as part of the evolution of the

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soul

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my concepts of reincarnation are we

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don't necessarily have to come back as

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humans and we don't necessarily have to

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come back

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to earth it would make no sense

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in the eternal landscape

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that you would be stuck doing one thing

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all the time for

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eternity and so we may have options to

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live on other worlds or in other

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realities

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explore other life forms i've

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interviewed many people in fact who

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have they've undertaken

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explorations of their past lives and

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they've absolutely been astonished to

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find themselves being something other

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you know that is interesting i have

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actually

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witnessed regressions as well and

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overall i i'd say and this is actually

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something i believe in

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uh that our life force is not

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necessarily a human

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life force but a universal life force

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and when we pass away that energy

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goes to another level i like to call it

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a way station

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just waiting to be used in some capacity

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for some other type of life it doesn't

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like you said doesn't necessarily have

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to be

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human it could be animal or

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like you said any other universe

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life in some other universe uh

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but i i think the energy does continue

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on

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it the

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actual use but like i said in some of

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the regressions i have listened to um

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it seems to be quite a variety of life

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and that also goes to the possibility of

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non-terrestrial

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alien type life well certainly what

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we're seeing in the contact e field

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um what would be considered hardcore

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ufology and alien beings

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uh that that um people

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uh that there are there is a population

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of contactees that

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say they've discovered that they have

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star

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planetary systems or other realities

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and that they are on earth for a purpose

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and it's a learning purpose or teaching

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purpose there's a particular reason to

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be here and it's tied in

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with their star origins and some of

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these people say they're hybrids

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uh they are mixtures of humanity and

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these other races

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and then other people say that well

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that's that's where i came from

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originally i came from somewhere else

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there are there are a lot of people in

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in what i would call the alternate

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reality

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community and by that i'm including in a

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broad brush

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ufology cryptids paranormal metaphysic

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spirituality people who are

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into researching and experiencing

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beyond 3d reality who feel they are not

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from here

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and i think it's on one hand it's

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not unusual for people to feel alienated

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at one time or another from their

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environment and

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even the friends and family around them

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but for some individuals this is a

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profound sense of not being from here

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and maybe not even

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being sure where they're from it's just

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not from here

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and these are things that we need to

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explore more

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yeah i agree i mean uh it seems the more

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that research

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continues into the paranormal

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supernatural

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i mean it all seems to be connected

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somehow

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uh that wasn't the that wasn't the

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overall thought

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previously but it seems becoming more

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prevalent

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now i mean when i when i look into a

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phenomena

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it always seems to be something else

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kind of sneaking its way in there

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to where wow you know something

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something else is going on

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there's a connection uh and i'm quite

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sure you agree with that

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i do yes and i've had some of my own

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experiences

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these are these are things that people

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have to evaluate on a personal level

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you know when we in in all of these

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fields we run into the

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question that science always throws at

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us as well how are you going to prove

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these things

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and if there's there's no way to

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physically prove something that how do

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you know it

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exists and it's not just your

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imagination or

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wish fulfillment or whatever but

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when you look at patterns of experiences

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throughout history

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why are people the planet all over the

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planet

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having similar kinds of experiences

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without having had contact

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with people in other cultures having the

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same experiences

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and to me that lends a lot of credence

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to the existence of alternate realities

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coming from other places having contact

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with other beings

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we have human consciousness being one of

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the biggest factors

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in these experiences is totally unknown

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and totally unpredictable

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and i don't know how we're ever going to

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quantify consciousness maybe we never

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can

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but human consciousness is the wild card

448
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in all of these experiences and

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determines

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uh the nature of a lot of our

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experiences you know some people have a

452
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lot of unusual experiences and other

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people don't

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and the fact that it's a very uneven

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playing field doesn't

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negate everything i mean we can't throw

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the baby out with the bath water

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yeah um and you know

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and this is one thing that i've noticed

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that you have

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gotten more into as far as

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uh researching dreams and

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you've written about it for the last

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couple years to a higher degree

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and i think a lot of a lot of what

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people

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experience in dreams connects with

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possible visitation alien abduction

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or actually experiencing some type of

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encounter

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i believe for most of my life that

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dreams

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are the most common and most powerful

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way that we experience

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alternate realities and have contact

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experiences

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and i i came to that conclusion very

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early in life

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because my mother had a lot of

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precognitive dreams

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and when i was young that is when i was

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in my early teens

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and she shared some of these dreams with

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me it just electrified me

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uh the idea that dreams could take you

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into the future

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that would then bear out and it

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set me off on a course of study of

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dreams that has lasted my entire life

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i've actually done um oh

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five or six books on dreams all together

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yeah my most recent

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is um dream messages from the afterlife

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visits from the dead

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uh a field a topic that i had studied

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for quite some time in talking to people

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about their dreams and seeing these

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patterns of experiences emerge but when

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we sleep

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we are really beyond the body whether we

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actually

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project out of the body or our

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consciousness goes traveling

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we are beyond the bounds of 3d time and

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space

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and that takes us into contact with

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all kinds of things so a lot of our most

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profound

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experiences happen in the dream state

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nah now you wrote about uh the types of

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dream visits

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from the dead can you explain some of

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those

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the most common is the reassurance dream

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and that usually happens very soon after

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someone has died

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quite often within a few days a couple

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of weeks they can happen

519
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um further out the further out you get

520
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in linear time the less likely you are

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to have certain kinds of

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contact dreams but the reassurance dream

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is

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uh the dead come and and say please

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don't grieve for me i'm fine

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i'm still me i'm still here

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they will often appear if there's a

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visual appearance to them

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they will appear radiant if they were

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ill when they died they appear healthy

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if they were old when they died they

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will often appear much younger

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and they're very rejuvenated but they

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want the living to know

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that they're still around these

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dream visits are very short sometimes

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the dead will say i can't stay very long

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because you're operating in a bridge

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world here where you're bridging the

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world of a living in the world of the

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dead and this is a very

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tenuous kind of bridge

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people who have these experiences will

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often

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feel profound relief it will help their

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grief processing

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and for many it validates beliefs about

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the afterlife or even changes their

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beliefs

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the second most common is the farewell

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dream

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and that is it can also be a waking

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vision

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experience that the dead are able to

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make a final appearance to the living on

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their way

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out and then the person who

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receives that experience will find out

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at a later time that the person

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passed at the time that the experience

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happened and sometimes there's no no

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communication other than just showing up

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and sometimes they say goodbye

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i one of the dreams that

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i have in the book is a man who had been

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in the last year or so of his life had

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been in a lot of chronic pain

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and ill health and

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when he appeared in a

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his communication was i'm not in pain

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anymore

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well you know i've experienced that

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myself

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when my aunt passed away who i was very

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close to

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she appeared before my first wife and i

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at the same time she appeared to my

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mother and my grandmother

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though we were almost 50 miles apart it

580
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:31,919
was

581
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:37,120
experienced before

582
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:40,320
but you could tell she was just trying

583
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:42,159
to say goodbye

584
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:45,760
uh and of course at that point we knew

585
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:47,360
she had passed

586
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:49,520
and we were on the phone with each other

587
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:50,400
i think my

588
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:53,760
my mother called me right away and she

589
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:54,159
just

590
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:55,760
she told me that her mother had called

591
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:57,840
her my grandmother called her so

592
00:24:01,990 --> 00:24:00,960
yeah we experienced it in real time and

593
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,000
it does happen

594
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:04,880
it was uh it was quite an experience

595
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:07,120
it's something i'll never forget and

596
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:10,159
i tell you i think it really uh

597
00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:13,679
defined my consciousness

598
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:16,840
of the afterlife uh though this was in

599
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,559
1977

600
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:20,880
and a point where i was just beginning

601
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:23,520
to get into the paranormal

602
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,039
uh it is it's it's a it's a profound

603
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:32,630
and it's it's not unusual for multiple

604
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:34,799
people to get the same experience

605
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:38,400
it seems to get divided up uh and and

606
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:41,039
that leads me to want to mention another

607
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,720
kind of dream

608
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:44,640
that i think is important for people to

609
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:47,440
know about and i call it the proxy dream

610
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:51,039
because sometimes the the recipient for

611
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,440
whom

612
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:53,760
the message is intended does not get the

613
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:55,120
dream somebody else

614
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:58,480
does and they must be a messenger

615
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:01,520
and it um it has to do with the

616
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:03,279
mechanisms of dreaming

617
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:05,600
and consciousness things that we don't

618
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:08,080
really understand very well

619
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,799
it's like uh you can liken it to

620
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:12,559
electrical energy

621
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:15,760
finding the path of least resistance and

622
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:17,039
sometimes the dead

623
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:19,039
cannot get through to the primary

624
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:20,799
recipient no matter how much

625
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:23,200
the primary recipient might want and

626
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:24,400
experience

627
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:28,400
and so they go to the next best channel

628
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:31,440
case in point one of the

629
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:34,480
dreams that i feature in the book

630
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,080
was sent to me by a woman whose

631
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,240
mother-in-law died and she had a

632
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:40,000
visitation from her mother-in-law

633
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:43,360
that was so real so tangible these are

634
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:45,520
experiences

635
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:48,320
in which people they touch the dead the

636
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:48,960
dead feel

637
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,320
real like they were when they were

638
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:52,240
living all the communication is

639
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:54,080
telepathic

640
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,760
but the mother-in-law had a message for

641
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:57,840
her son the husband

642
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,840
and she wanted her daughter-in-law to

643
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:01,440
give the message

644
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:04,159
and so the woman said well yes of course

645
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:05,679
i will but why don't you tell him

646
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,880
yourself

647
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:08,720
and the mother-in-law said i can't

648
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,520
because the way he dreams

649
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:13,919
now that's no fault of his no fault of

650
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,159
hers no fault of anybody's it's just a

651
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:18,320
blocked line of communication

652
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,799
and so she went to the next best channel

653
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:22,480
the daughter-in-law

654
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:26,640
uh the wife and uh these proxy dreams

655
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:28,480
they do rely on somebody being a

656
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:30,559
messenger right

657
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:33,840
and um you're not going to be

658
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:36,559
a total stranger and get a proxy dream

659
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:36,880
they

660
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:40,080
even

661
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:43,440
neighbors who will

662
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:45,919
feel the impetus to then pass on the

663
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:46,640
message

664
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:48,640
people are often reluctant to do that

665
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:49,919
because if they have

666
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:52,159
this experience they think oh it's just

667
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,240
my imagination i'm

668
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:56,400
so sad that so and so died so of course

669
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,080
i had this experience i don't want to

670
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,000
intrude on somebody's grief

671
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:02,480
i don't want to sound like i'm crazy but

672
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:04,159
if you have the courage to pass on the

673
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,360
message

674
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:07,679
you will find that it hits the target

675
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:10,159
very very well

676
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:13,200
well see this is an another area that

677
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:14,960
you know even though i am an intuitive

678
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:17,760
and i can sense spirit energy around me

679
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:20,880
i just can't communicate uh

680
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:23,440
unless i am able to open up like you

681
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:25,360
said a bridge to where i get

682
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:28,480
indications of

683
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:31,760
something or some type of communication

684
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:34,720
you know mediumship fascinates me i know

685
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:36,320
several mediums

686
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:39,360
and uh it's something that i still

687
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:42,720
really don't understand uh even

688
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:43,520
chandler's

689
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:47,679
it's uh it's just

690
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:50,640
hard for me to understand how the

691
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:51,760
contact is

692
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:57,990
i've given this a great deal of thought

693
00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:00,480
in my research as i've examined so many

694
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:02,159
kinds of contact experience

695
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:05,600
over over the years long and that's how

696
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:07,039
i came to the conclusion that

697
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:08,080
consciousness is

698
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,200
really the wild card here and

699
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,440
it's a factor in all of our experiences

700
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:15,279
fake paranormal investigation for

701
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:16,799
example

702
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:18,640
when you go to a place to investigate

703
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:22,000
you are projecting into the environment

704
00:28:25,230 --> 00:28:23,679
you are projecting your thoughts

705
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:25,240
feelings maybe

706
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:29,440
expectations that you have for

707
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:32,399
visiting the place and those mix with

708
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:34,559
whatever is in the environment and they

709
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:37,679
if if the mix is is potent enough

710
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:40,000
um the environment can reflect something

711
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:41,919
back to you in the way of phenomena

712
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,480
thought forms whatever a lot of these

713
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:46,240
things would have dissipate out into the

714
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:48,399
ethers because they're not concentrated

715
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:49,679
enough

716
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:53,120
but consciousness is it's like

717
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:55,360
radio waves and so you tune into

718
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:56,320
frequencies

719
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:58,480
and some people are naturally tuned to

720
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:00,960
certain frequencies that connect to

721
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:04,799
uh various uh levels of the astral plane

722
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:08,640
and so this is where mediumship comes in

723
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:09,760
people who are

724
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:16,149
profoundly skilled mediums we all have a

725
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:18,320
certain degree of that ability

726
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:20,159
but some people they're just born

727
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:21,919
mediums and from the get-go

728
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:24,880
they are seeing and talking to things

729
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:25,840
that the rest of us

730
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:29,919
can't perceive and it's all about

731
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:33,200
frequency it's the same thing with ufo

732
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:34,960
experiences

733
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:38,720
so this this is the new frontier is

734
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,880
how do we grapple with this question of

735
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:42,480
consciousness

736
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:47,360
that we cannot separate out of the mix

737
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:50,640
i think it has to do with the with the

738
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:51,840
field of evp

739
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,440
and and devices like ghost boxes

740
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:57,760
it's very well known in in instrumental

741
00:30:02,230 --> 00:29:59,840
trans communication for example which is

742
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:02,240
an adjunct to evp

743
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:06,960
that devices work well for

744
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:09,919
some people and not for other people and

745
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:12,000
why is that

746
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,080
if i give if i'm getting phenomenal

747
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:16,320
results on my ghost box

748
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:19,840
and i give it to you and you get so-so

749
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:21,200
results

750
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:22,960
what does that mean does it mean the

751
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:25,440
device is defective or what

752
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:29,200
um and i think it's a tuning in

753
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:32,399
of these frequencies of consciousness to

754
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:35,200
the frequencies of energy generated by

755
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:36,240
devices

756
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:39,200
that then takes on a whole new quotient

757
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:40,159
of energy

758
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:42,640
that then uh goes out into the ethers

759
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,440
and connects with something

760
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:47,360
yeah i agree with that we don't

761
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:49,039
understand this and i don't know how

762
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,399
we're ever going to grapple with it

763
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:52,159
scientifically because science can't

764
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:53,840
quantify consciousness

765
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:57,600
right well and i i think that

766
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:00,799
applies a lot to evp uh

767
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,360
technology because uh it does seem that

768
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:05,679
some people are able to get

769
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:08,480
much clearer evps and i i've always

770
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:09,440
thought that

771
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:11,360
it had a lot to do with the person

772
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:13,039
connecting

773
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:16,159
with the uh with the subject on some

774
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:16,640
level

775
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:23,360
you know it that doesn't make a lot of

776
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,480
sense and

777
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:26,320
i'm glad you brought that up because

778
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:27,679
that that's something i've always

779
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:30,000
believed in

780
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:33,600
uh yes and and it does it extends into

781
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:34,720
our devices

782
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:38,320
uh as well uh now one of the fellows

783
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,919
that i've known in the field for a long

784
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:41,600
time you probably know him too rick

785
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,279
fisher

786
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,440
i've investigated many times with rick

787
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:47,039
over the years and i always called him

788
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:47,840
the evp

789
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:50,080
king because he and i and other

790
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:51,760
investigators we could take our digital

791
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:52,559
recorders

792
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:54,320
we could put them all down in the same

793
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:57,600
place be as a group investigating as

794
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:00,640
group questions who gets the evps

795
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:03,519
rick does on his digital the rest of us

796
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:04,640
flatline

797
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,559
so why is that there's

798
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:11,039
there's something in whatever he's

799
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:11,919
connecting with

800
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:15,519
in a consciousness way that acts like a

801
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:16,720
magnet

802
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:18,880
really connects with the certain subtle

803
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:21,279
frequencies that we don't understand

804
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:24,799
and attracts them so

805
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:26,960
to me these are exciting things to

806
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:28,960
explore and i'm not sure what

807
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,720
our calibration

808
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:34,320
can be for it you know the way you

809
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:36,320
calibrate an instrument so it

810
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:39,600
provides a known measurement of

811
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:40,880
something

812
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:45,600
how do we calibrate human consciousness

813
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:48,799
and i think however

814
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,559
that it's it's really key to

815
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:52,799
understanding all of these kinds of

816
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,480
experiences in every field

817
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:58,399
you know that's something i have run

818
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:00,320
across a lot in my work

819
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:03,360
when i'm trying to help people um

820
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:06,559
that have activity in you know

821
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:08,559
at their home or personal activity going

822
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:10,240
on around them

823
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:12,640
it seems that for the most part these

824
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:14,480
people are what i call a beacon

825
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:17,840
they just draw in spirit energy

826
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:21,440
for whatever reason and um

827
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:23,120
you know a lot of times they don't even

828
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:25,200
realize it's going especially when it

829
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:28,640
involves kids

830
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:31,600
and i have been involved with many

831
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:33,679
investigations

832
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:37,760
where a family would be having

833
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:40,399
all kinds of crazy unexplainable

834
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:41,919
activity going on

835
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:44,399
and it all eventually centers around one

836
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:46,159
of the kids who's

837
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:48,640
either a beacon or actually a physical

838
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:49,600
medium

839
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:51,519
and they just don't know what is going

840
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:52,720
on

841
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:56,399
aftercare

842
00:34:02,389 --> 00:33:59,760
is try to help them

843
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:02,399
realize what that is that they do have

844
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,200
this natural

845
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:05,600
ability and how to control it and not

846
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,519
let it control their life

847
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:09,440
i'm quite sure you run across that as

848
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:10,960
well

849
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:13,359
all the time in investigations

850
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:15,200
especially going into a home where

851
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:16,320
people are

852
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:19,679
experiencing troubling activity you use

853
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:21,919
the term beacon i've used the term focal

854
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,200
point there's always

855
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,520
one individual in the family who is the

856
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:27,280
focal point

857
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,399
for most of the activity and

858
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:32,879
a typical pattern is that it starts with

859
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:33,679
them

860
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:36,879
they get the brunt of it and sometimes

861
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:40,320
the phenomena spreads to other

862
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:42,560
spread to other members of the family as

863
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:43,919
well

864
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:46,879
and yes they often have a natural

865
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:47,760
mediumis

866
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:50,159
ability that they're not even aware of

867
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:52,079
right it's like wearing a light over

868
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:52,960
your head

869
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:57,119
and beings in the spirit world see that

870
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:01,200
light and it's like moths to a flame

871
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:04,000
it is an interesting phenomenon it's

872
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:05,920
been i i have actually

873
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:09,280
run across instances where it gets to

874
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,880
the point where

875
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,560
you know it turns into poltergeist

876
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:14,240
activity that

877
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,880
these uh you know and i think that is a

878
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:18,640
lot of the reason why poltergeist

879
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:19,680
activity does

880
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:23,200
evolve into physical

881
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:26,480
activity because these

882
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:29,520
and at most time it's kids are early

883
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:30,079
teens

884
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:33,680
who um who do who actually

885
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:37,920
start projecting thought forms tulpas or

886
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:40,400
whatever you want to call them into

887
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:44,480
palpable energy that does cause problems

888
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:47,359
and uh i've seen that happen many times

889
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:50,240
it's not it's not a common phenomena

890
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:53,200
but it does happen and you know it's

891
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:55,599
it's very hard

892
00:36:02,310 --> 00:35:59,680
to deal with that type of activity

893
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:02,320
unless the person who's actually trained

894
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:02,960
is actually

895
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:05,520
projecting it understands what they are

896
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:11,270
very true and so many cases have been

897
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:12,880
documented

898
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:16,320
in parapsychology and psychical research

899
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:19,280
literature about the unwitting

900
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:22,160
poltergeist projector

901
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,079
and they they don't know what they're

902
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:26,880
doing quite often they are young people

903
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:30,720
and sometimes these experiences are

904
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:33,200
uh it's like a wave of activity you know

905
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:34,480
there's a period in their life where

906
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:36,400
they seem to be generating a certain

907
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:37,920
frequency of energy

908
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:39,680
and that's what makes these things pop

909
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:42,560
around them and then as they get older

910
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:43,520
and their energy

911
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,520
changes then it drops off

912
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:49,680
and they do make for very intriguing

913
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:52,079
cases

914
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:53,920
some sometimes researchers tend to

915
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:55,760
dismiss it as oh well

916
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:57,280
especially if it's a young person well

917
00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:58,960
they're going through puberty

918
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:02,160
or teenage anxiety or whatever uh

919
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:04,240
and so that's why these things happen

920
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:05,440
they they

921
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:08,079
try to minimize the the paranormal end

922
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:14,310
but there are so many

923
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:17,359
variations on these

924
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:20,880
these types of phenomena and

925
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:23,200
quite frankly we don't understand all of

926
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:24,800
them um

927
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:27,839
very well and it's it's not

928
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,000
through lack of trying um we don't have

929
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:34,320
um i guess you say we don't have the

930
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:36,320
tools really to

931
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:39,839
uh to try and and evaluate and

932
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:42,560
validate these kinds of experiences and

933
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:43,119
so

934
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:46,400
the skeptics and the scientists and

935
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:48,400
people who don't want to think about it

936
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,359
or believe then can easily dismiss it as

937
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:54,079
uh oh well this was just um you know

938
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:55,520
some weirdo on a

939
00:38:03,589 --> 00:37:59,440
uh you know an imaginary sort of

940
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:03,599
excursion yeah many times when i uh

941
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:07,119
have uh investigated these type of cases

942
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:10,079
you know it's almost like us i can sense

943
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:12,079
the energy

944
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:15,200
or the actual thought form

945
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:18,960
actually possessing if that's i mean

946
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:21,119
lack of a better word possessing the

947
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:22,960
individual almost attached to them

948
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:24,400
hanging around them

949
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:28,000
all the time and uh

950
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:31,520
it's very interesting how they use that

951
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:36,400
that energy and how they uh

952
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:39,920
send it out or you know it is it is

953
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:43,119
very it's very confusing sometimes

954
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:45,760
it's hard to kind of get a grasp on it

955
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:46,240
and

956
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:48,400
especially to try to explain it to the

957
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,280
person

958
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,359
or the family because the family has no

959
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:53,280
idea what's going on

960
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:55,680
and the first time you tell them well

961
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:57,040
it's probably your child

962
00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:00,320
doing this you know you know of course

963
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:01,920
they're not going to believe you and you

964
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:04,240
know in rare cases they want to believe

965
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:05,040
it

966
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:10,880
uh very obvious that that's what's going

967
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:11,839
on

968
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:14,400
and like you said it is a phenomena that

969
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:15,599
i think

970
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:20,560
is going to require much more research

971
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,280
and i believe more people in the field

972
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,119
opening their minds to it

973
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:27,440
you know having an open mind about it

974
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:28,480
and uh

975
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:31,680
just not discounting the phenomena

976
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:34,000
itself

977
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:37,040
i i actually stopped doing a lot of

978
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:40,480
cases because first of all they're very

979
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:41,760
time consuming

980
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:45,119
sure but a lot of people want simple

981
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:46,000
answers

982
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:49,119
um they they want you to come and tell

983
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:50,240
them what's going on and

984
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:53,200
how do we get rid of this or change it

985
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:54,720
rectify it whatever

986
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:56,560
they want a simple answer and it's never

987
00:40:02,550 --> 00:39:58,400
a simple answer

988
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:02,560
and the the time that has to be involved

989
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:03,680
in

990
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,000
personal histories

991
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:10,560
to determine things like a focal point

992
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:12,800
energy and

993
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,359
the focal point person usually has a

994
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:17,280
lifelong history of

995
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:20,319
engagement with the paranormal

996
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:23,599
in one way or another and

997
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,359
you have to look at relationship

998
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:28,000
dynamics energy of the landscape

999
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,880
the history if it's available of a

1000
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:32,640
location

1001
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:35,760
all of these things factor in to uh

1002
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:38,800
what might be currently bothering or

1003
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:39,599
afflicting

1004
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,040
someone or a family and the solutions

1005
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:45,200
may not be any simpler

1006
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:47,839
right sometimes they challenge

1007
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:50,800
somebody's religious beliefs in terms of

1008
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:54,000
remedies that work or don't work

1009
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:57,839
if there are attachments involved

1010
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:01,119
then the the individual

1011
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:09,030
allowing an attachment to to be banished

1012
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:12,160
and so many of these

1013
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:16,800
exorcisms fail because um

1014
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:20,319
the host is then not able to

1015
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:23,920
have the defenses or fill the vacuum

1016
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:27,119
to prevent a recurrence and

1017
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:30,800
so many dynamics going on and then you

1018
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:34,960
have people wanting simple solutions

1019
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:39,119
it just becomes very complex

1020
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:42,160
right i did a lot of those cases for a

1021
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,359
good number of years

1022
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:46,560
and then i just there

1023
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:50,160
it just got to be overwhelming

1024
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:53,040
well i i can i can absolutely understand

1025
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:54,400
what you're saying there because i've

1026
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:55,520
been involved

1027
00:42:02,390 --> 00:41:58,800
with a family for almost seven years now

1028
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:02,400
and it seems when

1029
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:06,000
they they they have a habit because

1030
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:07,040
everyone

1031
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:12,160
in this family has some type of uh

1032
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:16,079
ability as far as either mediumship or

1033
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:18,160
be our beacons and kind of attract this

1034
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:19,839
type of energy

1035
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:22,319
and it seems when you do get something

1036
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:25,040
cleared out

1037
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,160
something like you said fills the void

1038
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:31,200
they'll pick something up somewhere else

1039
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:33,200
and it's a matter of trying to teach

1040
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:35,119
someone

1041
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:39,520
how to you know lessen

1042
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:42,800
the uh the availability of them picking

1043
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:45,760
this you know these type of energies up

1044
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:46,079
i

1045
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:50,319
therapy

1046
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:53,920
in the past years helping people

1047
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:57,760
to come to terms with what they

1048
00:43:01,430 --> 00:43:00,720
they actually are and it does seem to

1049
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:01,440
help but

1050
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:03,599
then again some people like this again

1051
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,480
these

1052
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:06,160
this family i've been working with it

1053
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:09,200
just doesn't seem to work that well

1054
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,800
uh i i am optimistic recently because

1055
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:14,240
things have seemed to be

1056
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:17,680
going better with them but uh

1057
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:19,440
you know i think it comes to the point

1058
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:20,800
where

1059
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:24,160
they've got to realize that

1060
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:26,079
they're responsible for what is

1061
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,069
and many people don't want to take

1062
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:33,359
responsibility they think that

1063
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:36,880
um they that they're being

1064
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:39,359
for example invaded from from an outside

1065
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:40,079
force that

1066
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:43,760
somehow can be effortlessly banished or

1067
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:46,000
gotten rid of

1068
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,839
they see a lot of this stuff going on on

1069
00:43:52,829 --> 00:43:49,280
television

1070
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:52,839
and many of these cases are extremely

1071
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:55,520
complicated and

1072
00:44:04,069 --> 00:43:59,359
the person who's who's being afflicted

1073
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:04,079
may have emotional psychological

1074
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:08,319
issues going on that may be lifelong

1075
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:11,280
right that are fears in that uh we're

1076
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:12,560
dealing with boundary

1077
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,040
issues uh because something has been

1078
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:17,359
able to penetrate somebody's natural

1079
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,040
boundaries

1080
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:21,599
and there are people out there who who

1081
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,880
have thin boundaries

1082
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:24,480
and they have a difficult time keeping

1083
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:26,079
those boundaries in place

1084
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:28,240
and not just with the spirit world but

1085
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:30,880
with people as well they're often

1086
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:34,400
run over by other people you know

1087
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:37,520
and they may give their power away very

1088
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,040
easily

1089
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,880
they might be easy to manipulate or

1090
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:42,400
influence

1091
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:45,760
and so many complicated

1092
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:49,040
factors involved and

1093
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:52,480
it's very difficult work to pursue

1094
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:55,200
well and you're right and a lot of times

1095
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:55,680
people

1096
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:57,680
are so sensitive that it's just not

1097
00:45:04,390 --> 00:44:59,119
spirit energy

1098
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:04,400
or earthbound or some type of

1099
00:45:10,510 --> 00:45:07,839
uh former human type of life force

1100
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:10,520
that is bothering them there's a lot of

1101
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:11,680
non-terrestrial

1102
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:15,119
as well as possible alien involvement as

1103
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:16,960
well

1104
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:19,359
some people don't want to believe that

1105
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:20,480
but i

1106
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:22,000
i think you know there are many

1107
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:23,680
instances

1108
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:27,119
where spirit activity is

1109
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:30,880
actually thought to be causing

1110
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:32,800
the activity and it turns out it's

1111
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:40,150
yes uh and i i think that well first of

1112
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:41,200
all

1113
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:44,880
it could be natural

1114
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:47,839
and so we do have to eliminate all

1115
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:51,119
natural explanations possible

1116
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:54,240
i've had cases where the domestic

1117
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:54,880
tension

1118
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:58,240
has been so tight and so high

1119
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,599
that uh i came to the conclusion that

1120
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,760
emotions were being projected into the

1121
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:05,760
environment that were capable of taking

1122
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:06,560
on

1123
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:09,119
uh psychokinetic energy or even thought

1124
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,079
form

1125
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,960
activity and those sorts of things also

1126
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:14,400
will attract

1127
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:17,680
things from other realities as well

1128
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:20,720
that like that kind of energy and want

1129
00:46:26,829 --> 00:46:23,599
to contribute to it or feed off of it

1130
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,839
and they're never black and white

1131
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:29,280
situations

1132
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:32,079
yeah these uh just francis like the

1133
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:34,319
shadow person phenomena

1134
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:37,440
uh you know these

1135
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:41,520
entities invariably seem to be

1136
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:44,240
attracted to either dysfunction within a

1137
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:45,440
family

1138
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,560
or illness or

1139
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:50,640
a lot a family with a lot of younger

1140
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,079
children

1141
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,720
and they are very difficult to get rid

1142
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:56,160
of it's almost like these things

1143
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:58,720
walk down the street and they sense the

1144
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,200
house

1145
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:01,680
where the most dysfunction or most

1146
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,040
problems are going on

1147
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:05,040
and they latch on to it and that's where

1148
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:06,800
they hang around

1149
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:09,920
and feed as long as they possibly can

1150
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,839
and they're very dangerous i mean these

1151
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:13,520
things can kill

1152
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:16,319
the uh you know the shadow person

1153
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:17,119
phenomena

1154
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:20,400
is something that you know when i hear

1155
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:21,839
about it and people

1156
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:24,319
explain it to me you know i'm very

1157
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,200
apprehensive

1158
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:27,359
about getting into that though i do try

1159
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:28,800
to help them

1160
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:30,880
but you know the the first thing it

1161
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:32,800
always has to start with

1162
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,640
is getting the uh

1163
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:38,880
the root cause of what's going on to

1164
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:39,839
stop to stop

1165
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:42,400
feeding these entities and when that

1166
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:43,920
happens they do seem to

1167
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:51,030
yes uh energy is a food source for

1168
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:54,000
many of these negative entities and they

1169
00:47:59,280 --> 00:47:55,280
feed off

1170
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:59,290
unhappiness fear anger

1171
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:00,800
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1172
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:03,839
depression and if

1173
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:05,680
we can manage to dry up their food

1174
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:06,880
sources then

1175
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,359
they move on they're very opportunistic

1176
00:48:15,230 --> 00:48:11,599
and

1177
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:15,240
they they're very good at at finding

1178
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:18,720
vulnerabilities people who can

1179
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:22,400
have their natural defenses penetrated

1180
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:24,079
very easily

1181
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:26,240
when i was collecting a lot of material

1182
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:28,160
on shadow people and i collected

1183
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:31,200
cases for well over a decade

1184
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:34,240
i found a subs i called it a subset

1185
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:35,280
pattern because

1186
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:38,079
it it wasn't dominant like uh some of

1187
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:39,839
the other characteristics of shadow

1188
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:41,359
people encounters

1189
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:44,480
but there was a subset of people who

1190
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:47,040
had no prior history of this kind of

1191
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,960
experience until they went through some

1192
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:51,119
sort of profound emotional upheaval in

1193
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:51,839
their lives

1194
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,319
it didn't matter what this was as long

1195
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:56,640
as it threw their lives into chaos and

1196
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,440
turmoil

1197
00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:59,760
and upset emotions and then they started

1198
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:02,000
having these visitations

1199
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:04,480
that were very predatory and vampiric in

1200
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:05,920
nature

1201
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:08,160
but when they got their lives back on

1202
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:09,839
keel again

1203
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:13,520
then the the experiences stopped the

1204
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:14,720
shadow people had

1205
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:18,079
nothing left to come for and and so they

1206
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:19,040
departed for

1207
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:22,720
you know greener pastures literally

1208
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:30,390
you know it's interesting how the human

1209
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:32,319
mind works and how

1210
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:35,680
people exude energy and emotion

1211
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:39,599
and what it can transform itself into

1212
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,160
and we have no idea you know if we could

1213
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,000
see our emotions if we had the

1214
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:46,240
capability of seeing our emotions i

1215
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,079
think we would be shocked

1216
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,480
at what we would see flowing out into

1217
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:52,319
the environment

1218
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:55,839
i remember years ago reading uh an

1219
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:59,040
experiencer account of a woman who did

1220
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:00,480
have a spontaneous

1221
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:04,559
experience like that and she said that

1222
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:08,800
she she had an encounter with a woman

1223
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:09,200
who

1224
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:12,319
evidently was in a very angry state of

1225
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:13,359
mind

1226
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:16,720
and this woman who was not

1227
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,640
she didn't say that she was psychic by

1228
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:20,640
nature but this just sort of popped out

1229
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:22,319
at her that suddenly she saw

1230
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:26,800
literally these black coils and tendrils

1231
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:27,599
of

1232
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:33,599
snaking out from this woman this

1233
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,920
literally was a projection of her anger

1234
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:37,440
into the environment

1235
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:41,200
and it caused the experiencer to recoil

1236
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:42,800
at what she was she couldn't believe

1237
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:44,880
what she was seeing

1238
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:48,240
uh well if if we could experience

1239
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:52,160
the projection of our emotions um

1240
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:55,520
and i believe that the human of the

1241
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:57,760
future will be able to do that

1242
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:01,040
uh we would really reorient our thoughts

1243
00:51:07,829 --> 00:51:04,319
the occultists um annie bessant and

1244
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:07,839
charles ledbeter who were theosophists

1245
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,400
wrote on the thought forms generated by

1246
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:12,480
emotional energy and thoughts and they

1247
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,359
described them in physical terms and how

1248
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:17,280
pleasant happy and positive thought

1249
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:20,319
forms had certain colors and forms

1250
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:24,000
and dark negative uh emotions and

1251
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:24,800
thoughts

1252
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:28,960
had a denser scary literally a scarier

1253
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:31,359
kind of energy to them well you can

1254
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:32,800
imagine

1255
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:36,000
uh just what it must be like to be in

1256
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:39,200
a sea of angry people like a mob sure

1257
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:41,040
what what you would physically see if

1258
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:43,280
you could see all those emotions roiling

1259
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:44,640
around

1260
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:48,640
and if we

1261
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:50,720
viscerally experience that on a

1262
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:52,319
day-to-day basis a lot of us would

1263
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:53,040
probably

1264
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:55,599
start marshaling our feelings and

1265
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:56,960
thoughts

1266
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:00,960
to to prevent those kinds of

1267
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:04,160
extrusions because we wouldn't want to

1268
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:06,880
get it back from other people

1269
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:09,359
sure and you know this pk phenomenal

1270
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:11,359
psychokinetic phenomena

1271
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:13,839
does seem to uh be rearing its ugly head

1272
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,760
a lot more than it used to

1273
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:17,119
now i don't know if it's because of the

1274
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:19,040
way society is

1275
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:22,160
or just the way people live their lives

1276
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:23,760
nowadays

1277
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:27,839
uh but it does seem to uh

1278
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,920
enter into people's lives a lot more

1279
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:31,359
than what

1280
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:33,680
it may have actually been there a long

1281
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:34,800
long time

1282
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:36,640
but it seems like the degree is much

1283
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:39,520
higher than it used to be

1284
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:42,720
i think we've got what i would call a

1285
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:43,200
pitch

1286
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:46,079
degree of interest and experience across

1287
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:48,240
the board these days and a lot of it is

1288
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:50,079
media fueled

1289
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:52,640
some of it's good and some of it's not

1290
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:53,520
but

1291
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:56,960
in the past several decades it's been

1292
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:59,119
more acceptable to talk about all kinds

1293
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:00,480
of experiences

1294
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:03,359
they've been portrayed on television and

1295
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:04,960
fictional programs

1296
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:07,920
in documentaries and reality shows we've

1297
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:08,800
got more

1298
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:12,400
on our public plate so to speak

1299
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,520
than ever before in modern history

1300
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:17,040
uh where it used to be these sorts of

1301
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:18,880
things were always sort of covert and

1302
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:19,680
undercover

1303
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:22,240
and talked about rather quietly because

1304
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:23,680
we didn't want anyone else to think we

1305
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:24,480
were crazy

1306
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:28,000
did we and now people are a lot

1307
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:29,920
more open about it and that's really

1308
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:32,000
changing the landscape of experiences

1309
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:33,520
too the more we talk about it

1310
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:35,520
the more we think about it the more the

1311
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:36,559
environment

1312
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:44,400
is going to mirror something back to us

1313
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:46,240
yeah well that's also true i mean you

1314
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:47,599
know with the internet and

1315
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:51,280
television uh keying into

1316
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:54,240
a lot of paranormal activity and and

1317
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:55,119
even cryptic

1318
00:54:02,549 --> 00:53:59,440
activity people are much more open to

1319
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,559
tell their experiences and uh it doesn't

1320
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:04,800
it does get its way out there

1321
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:07,680
and if it doesn't generate other

1322
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,000
phenomena i mean who knows

1323
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:12,000
uh sometimes you may think it does

1324
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:13,680
happen like that

1325
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,559
that the more you see the the greater

1326
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:18,559
the possibility that something may

1327
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:20,319
happen to you or you may experience

1328
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:21,119
something

1329
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:24,160
going to have to be looked into in the

1330
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:26,240
future

1331
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:29,680
uh yes and i i do believe that it does

1332
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:30,160
that the

1333
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:32,960
the more we think and talk about these

1334
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:34,800
things the more these things are likely

1335
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:35,440
to happen

1336
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:38,799
i think it's a natural reactive

1337
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:41,920
part of the phenomenon itself one

1338
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:45,680
one trend that i find very disturbing

1339
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:50,960
is this notion that every haunted house

1340
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:54,079
has some sort of demonic spirit in it

1341
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:56,960
that's going to start violently

1342
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:59,119
attacking the residents

1343
00:55:02,510 --> 00:55:01,280
now how many times in the past when i

1344
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:02,520
say the past i mean

1345
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:05,760
pre-reality tv did any investigator

1346
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:07,760
encountered demons in a house

1347
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:10,799
how many times very well

1348
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:13,599
if there's not a demon in the house

1349
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:15,760
there's it's no fun

1350
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,880
now i watched these shows myself and i

1351
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:20,400
realized that

1352
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:23,119
um shows like a haunting and my haunted

1353
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:25,680
house and paranormal witness

1354
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,799
um they want the audiences to

1355
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:30,960
to watch and we're going to watch if

1356
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,480
it's something scary

1357
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:34,480
something horrible but they're also

1358
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:36,400
putting out the the notion

1359
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:39,599
that you know if if you buy a house

1360
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:42,480
uh and it happens to be haunted horrible

1361
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:43,920
things are going to happen to you it's

1362
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:45,760
not going to be any just residual ghost

1363
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:48,319
drifting around

1364
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:50,160
it's going to be something really

1365
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:52,079
negative and and demonic

1366
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:55,599
and i think that's a very bad um

1367
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:58,160
stereo it's becoming a stereotype it's a

1368
00:56:02,950 --> 00:55:59,839
very bad stereotype

1369
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,960
to to spread through the mass

1370
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,559
market because people who are not

1371
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:06,400
familiar then with the paranormal are

1372
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:08,799
going to start taking this on board as

1373
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:12,160
you know a de facto sort of um

1374
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:15,599
thing you know i i

1375
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:19,359
believe that i've only ever run across

1376
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:23,440
one instance where i can actually say

1377
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:27,040
that the activity was on the level of

1378
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:29,200
possibly being demonic

1379
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:32,880
that is so rare but it you're right it

1380
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:34,480
does seem like it pops up

1381
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:37,520
everywhere as far as on the

1382
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:40,720
in the media or on television or or the

1383
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,599
books you read

1384
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:43,440
it it just seems to be everywhere

1385
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:45,040
everybody wants to classify everything

1386
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:46,640
as being demonic

1387
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:50,319
it just doesn't it just isn't like that

1388
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:52,400
it's not and of course i realize these

1389
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:53,760
shows are

1390
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:56,160
being selective you know out of the

1391
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:58,640
probably thousands of candidates

1392
00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:01,200
that that they receive for for shows

1393
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,960
they're going to pick the ones that

1394
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:04,319
are going to be the creepiest and

1395
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:06,079
scariest

1396
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:08,450
but um it it does convey

1397
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:09,760
[Music]

1398
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:13,359
a false paranormal

1399
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:16,799
kind of environment that really is

1400
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:18,240
rather unusual

1401
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:21,200
but then i see it affecting real

1402
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:22,319
investigators

1403
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:24,720
that if they're called into a situation

1404
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:26,079
it's almost like

1405
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:27,839
uh well they're not doing their job

1406
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:30,079
unless they uncover something demonic in

1407
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:32,000
a house

1408
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:35,040
and that's not a message that

1409
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:38,319
should be given to a family

1410
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:40,079
say oh yeah you've got a demon here well

1411
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:41,440
thanks you know uh

1412
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:44,079
let us know how it all goes and then out

1413
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:45,200
the door they go

1414
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:49,680
yeah yeah and um

1415
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:53,680
it's it's not responsible no it isn't

1416
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:56,160
so this hour has gone by so quickly

1417
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:58,400
rosemary can you um

1418
00:58:01,589 --> 00:58:00,880
uh tell our listeners what you have

1419
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:01,599
going on

1420
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:03,839
in the near future and how to contact

1421
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:04,880
you and

1422
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:08,400
how do you purchase your books

1423
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:11,359
yes my books are available on amazon

1424
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:13,200
that's really the best place online to

1425
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:15,040
get them in a lot of bookstores

1426
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:18,640
and all the major ebook platforms

1427
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:20,799
my publishing company is visionary

1428
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:22,720
living publishing

1429
00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:26,400
my personal website visionaryliving.com

1430
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:29,599
next weekend i will be in scottsdale

1431
00:58:33,990 --> 00:58:30,480
arizona

1432
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:34,000
at the largest afterlife symposium

1433
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:36,559
and this is an event that i've been at

1434
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:37,440
before it's

1435
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:39,280
absolutely fabulous i will be speaking

1436
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:41,200
on dream visits from the dead

1437
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:43,599
and conducting workshops with black

1438
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:46,480
mirrors for contacting the dead

1439
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:50,880
and after that

1440
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:54,400
i have my next big thing is a ufo

1441
00:58:59,390 --> 00:58:56,559
conference in danbury connecticut

1442
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:59,400
in october you can find information on

1443
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:00,720
visionaryliving.com

1444
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:02,720
i'm in salem every year around the

1445
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:04,319
halloween season doing

1446
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,760
events and my last big event of the year

1447
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:09,599
is the victory of light metaphysical

1448
00:59:13,510 --> 00:59:11,280
expo in cincinnati

1449
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:13,520
ohio where i'll be talking on bigfoot

1450
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:14,640
i'll be giving a lecture on

1451
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:16,720
interdimensional bigfoot and then doing

1452
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:18,000
a workshop on psychic

1453
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:20,960
protection oh that's very interesting

1454
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:22,559
you know you and i could sit down and

1455
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:24,880
talk for hours upon hours i'm quite sure

1456
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:26,720
about every little thing

1457
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:29,839
involving the supernatural

1458
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:32,960
and you know i i i always appreciate

1459
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:35,040
when you come on with me and i i thank

1460
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:37,040
you again for joining me and

1461
00:59:41,109 --> 00:59:39,359
i want to try to get you on sooner than

1462
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:41,119
later

1463
00:59:44,829 --> 00:59:42,720
well on it's been a real pleasure to be

1464
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:44,839
on with you tonight and have these

1465
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:47,520
discussions uh thanks again for arcane

1466
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:50,079
radio and all the work that you do

1467
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:52,240
well i appreciate it and uh we'll be

1468
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:54,079
talking soon

1469
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:57,520
okay good night now before i go

1470
01:00:02,069 --> 00:59:58,960
allow me to leave this with the

1471
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:02,079
listeners the philosopher's socrates

1472
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:03,440
stated

1473
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:06,720
death is one of two things either

1474
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:09,200
it is an annihilation and the dead have

1475
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:11,760
no consciousness of anything

1476
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:16,079
or as we are told it is really a change

1477
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:18,160
a migration of the soul

1478
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:21,599
from one place to another now

1479
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:24,319
i i would like to think it's a latter a

1480
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:25,280
transition

1481
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:28,640
continuation of the universal life force

1482
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:31,680
now if that is the case then each of us

1483
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:34,160
are in for an adventure

1484
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:35,920
so i thank everyone for listening to the

1485
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:37,760
show and for your support

1486
01:01:22,829 --> 01:01:19,230
[Music]

1487
01:01:22,839 --> 01:01:26,730
so